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Moments to Strike: How Does Your Style Say It?

April 27, 2010 | Author: Matthew | Filed under: Martial Arts,Techniques,karate,modern arts

Stop me if you’ve heard this one:

All martial arts are like paths up the mountain. They begin in different places and wind upward in their own unique way. Yet, as you get closer and closer to the top, there are more points of intersection. Eventually, all styles converge as one at the very peak.

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Basically what that classic piece of martial arts wisdom is saying is that even though styles often look different, they share many of the same core principles. If you were to progress far enough in your understanding of one or more arts, you could essentially understand the essence of all arts.

This notion seems a bit lofty for sure, especially when pulling together two arts like…say…BJJ and Taijichuan. Nevertheless, if you train long enough, you will start to have moments that make you wonder if it’s true after all.

I’d like to share an example of that.

If you recall back in the late 60s and early 70s there was both a boom of traditional martial arts around the world and a counterculture led by the man himself, Bruce Lee. The argument made by Bruce and many eclectic stylists after him was that traditional arts were much too rigid and formalized. They didn’t accurately represent the dynamics of combat.

They also believed that their open mindedness and fluidity led them to certain discoveries that traditionalists would not be able to sink their teeth into.

In some ways the eclectic stylists were (and still are) right – there are plenty of stodgy, banal, and outright ill-conceived traditional practices out there. But some eclectics also assumed too much in believing that they were discovering things that were unknown to the fighters of antiquity.

Observe in the following video a man named Paul Vunak. Paul is a skilled Jeet Kune Do practitioner who has trained under Dan Inosanto, one of Bruce Lee’s closest students and friends. Paul provides a few anecdotes about Bruce Lee (0-3:30), and then discusses the concept that there only three times you can hit an opponent: “before, during, and after”. Watch from 3:30-6 for the full idea of what he is discussing (video is a bit loud, perhaps turn down volume at first):

What Paul received from Bruce via Dan is the idea of striking an opponent before, during, or after the initial strike. It breaks down as such:

  • BEFORE – As the opponent’s body prepares to attack, you preemptively strike him.
  • DURING – As the opponent strikes at you, you in turn strike at him but achieve victory through body position.
  • AFTER – As the opponent strikes at you, you deflect or dodge and then send a returning blow.

This is a great concept if you ask me. It’s great according to old school Wado Ryu Karate too. Check this out (video is quiet, turn volume back up):

As demonstrated by Tatsuo Suzuki Sensei, there are three times to strike an opponent:

  • SEN SEN NO SEN – As the opponent commits to an attack mentally and gears himself physically, you preemptively strike.
  • SEN NO SEN – As the opponent creates his attack, you attack simultaneously in a seeming aiuchi (mutual slaying) but best the opponent through skill.
  • GO NO SEN – As the opponent attacks, you avoid or block the technique and return with a counterstrike.

These classical terms are not specific to karate. In the video above the narrator mentions briefly that jujutsu also utilizes them. Not discussed is the importance of SEN in the art of kendo as well. In fact, there are perhaps no arts where the razor thin difference of each SEN is more critical.

Observe the strikes in this kendo match, and see if you can determine which SEN is used even when they slow things down 16x (video sounds normal, turn volume back down):

If you’re able to compute SEN and execute as fast as these kendo players, you’re on your way to becoming a fine martial artist indeed.

One final example comes from the book “Living the Martial Way” (pg. 95 to be exact). In it, author Forrest Morgan discusses a meeting he had with an old expert. One might assume the expert was a Korean stylist as that was Morgan’s background, but we can’t be sure.  The old man stated that there are three ways to handle an attack: avoid, evade, or intercept.

  • INTERCEPT – As the opponent begins his attack you overwhelm it with your own focus.
  • EVADE – As the attack comes in you parry but stay inside the strike range for a counter.
  • AVOID – As the attack comes in you remove yourself from danger.

This methodology doesn’t line up verbatim with the previous two, but very much expresses the same ideas. In fact, if you watch the Wado Ryu video again, you’ll see all three of these concepts in play during Sen Sen no Sen, Sen no Sen, and Go no Sen.

I’ve Got It, You’ve Got It

Sometimes methodologies ring true no matter what your style. And, when practiced with vigor, even allow us to share commonalities in our training.

The big question at this point isn’t whether or not your system of martial arts has “before, during, and after”, but moreso how do they go about saying it? (and if they don’t say it, how can YOU go about saying it?).

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  • http://fat-karate-ka.com stacy

    In Isshinryu karate we have a series of “concepts” that were passed down by Grandmaster Tatsou Shimabuku. One of these concepts states “the opportunity to strike is when the opportunity presents itself.” I THINK the idea was to combine the “before, during and after” into a single, easy to remember theory that you could apply to several situations. A lot of Isshinryu is taking stuff from Gojoryu and Shorinryu and boiling it down.

  • pyelor

    Excellent piece, Matthew. I thoroughly enjoy your writing of and love for the martial arts.

  • http://www.kickasssuec.blogspot.com SueC

    Wow! You really researched and pieced that one together well. Very interesting. Thank you.

  • http://www.ikigaiway.com Matt__A

    Hi Stacy, thanks for visiting! Yea that is a great concept you described of entering mushin, or a no mind state. When done properly it can greatly enhance your ability to act spontaneously when the moment presents itself. However, that being said, all strikes do occur during one of those three phases of before, during, and after – whichever one presents itself as the best option in the moment.

  • http://www.ikigaiway.com Matt__A

    Many thanks!

  • http://www.ikigaiway.com Matt__A

    Thanks sue! Yea it all started when I stumbled across the Paul Vunak video and realized that it greatly resembled the SEN concepts that we utilize in kendo training. From there it just took a bit of digging to find examples of it all over the place.

  • http://nagualtime.blogspot.com/ Rodney J Owen

    Great Post Matt!
    In Taijiquan we are taught to adhere to the opponent and anticipate his actions so that we may capitalize on that. From the Taijiquan Classics: “Follow, bend, then extend. When the other is hard, and I am soft, this is called yielding. I go along with the other. This is called adhering. To quick movements, I respond quickly. To slow movements, I follow slowly. Although the transformations have innumerable strands, this principle makes them as one thread. From careful investigation and experience, one may gradually realise how to comprehend energy (dong jin).”

    The most common and effective ideal defense is what you identify as Sen No Sen. If my opponent strikes, my counter is an immediate strike (or throw) that not only neutralizes his/her attack, but capitalizes on his/her weakness and takes the advantage.
    I do agree that at some point we see synchronicity between all the arts.

  • http://memoriesofanidan.blogspot.com/ jorge morales-santo domingo

    That merging of core principles is one of the most surprising discoveries one experiences in the martial arts. The reading of intent is basic to any combat style.

  • http://www.whatwouldrobertoeliasdo.blogspot.com/ Jackthestripper

    Great post!! I really enjoyed it, now to digest it…

  • http://www.ikigaiway.com Matt__A

    Great stuff Rodney, thanks for sharing the Taijiquan perspective.

  • GrasshopperK

    Interesting post Matt. I've always believed that squabbling over different martial arts styles is pointless for this very reason.

    As for the before, during and after of striking, I've also heard HIgaonna Sensei talk of these three different speeds – I was also going to write a similar post on the topic but you've beaten me to it again ;)

    In the honbu dojo we would practice with all three when doing bunkai work. I wonder also if it isn't an issue of a students degree of training and experience within a style? Beginners are typically taught to block and then retaliate and to later at the same time. But, it takes a truly experienced martial artists to sense an attack and strike before your opponent has the opportunity to do so.

  • http://www.ikigaiway.com Matt__A

    Definitely write one anyway! I have no doubt you'd add some valuable commentary to the subject.

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  • http://www.self-defense-dvd.org Thomas

    Your blog says it all Matthew, it is very informative. It is worth reading. I will definitely share all the information to my friends or better yet I will just tell them to visit your blog. Very interesting indeed. I will be looking forward for your upcoming blogs.

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