Comments on: How Hard Should You Beat Your Body? http://www.ikigaiway.com/2009/how-hard-should-you-beat-your-body/ Ikigai - exploring traditional karate and martial arts. A karate and martial arts blog that explores theory, philosophy, technique, and more. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:31:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Blackmetalassasin http://www.ikigaiway.com/2009/how-hard-should-you-beat-your-body/comment-page-1/#comment-9712 Blackmetalassasin Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:42:21 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=663#comment-9712 Good Point. I also study Uechi-Ryu and I agree with you about inexperienced students usually overtraining. This is bound to happen with nearly all newer students because when they first start training they need to find their limits before they can train properly. The point with many Iron Body excercises is to train to the point slightly below injury(as you stated, for koteketai, the feeling afterward should be somewhat of a tingling feeling). The quality of the excercises is always what should be stressed. Like any kind of physical training, when the goal is quantity over quality, injury is the likely outcome. This is the reason why most books or videos on the subject contain a disclaimer stating that these training methods should only be used under the supervision of an expirienced instructor. There are a lot of subtleties to these methods that people can understand by simply reading up on them. Good Point. I also study Uechi-Ryu and I agree with you about inexperienced students usually overtraining. This is bound to happen with nearly all newer students because when they first start training they need to find their limits before they can train properly. The point with many Iron Body excercises is to train to the point slightly below injury(as you stated, for koteketai, the feeling afterward should be somewhat of a tingling feeling). The quality of the excercises is always what should be stressed. Like any kind of physical training, when the goal is quantity over quality, injury is the likely outcome. This is the reason why most books or videos on the subject contain a disclaimer stating that these training methods should only be used under the supervision of an expirienced instructor. There are a lot of subtleties to these methods that people can understand by simply reading up on them.

]]> By: uechiguy01 http://www.ikigaiway.com/2009/how-hard-should-you-beat-your-body/comment-page-1/#comment-8118 uechiguy01 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:44:38 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=663#comment-8118 Proper iron body conditioning doesn't cause these same side effects. The problem isn't so much the type of conditioning as it is the fact that too many people have the tendency to train too hard too fast. Proper iron body conditioning is very gradual and should produce more of a tingling feeling in the area being conditioned rather than pain. Small bruises and scrapes are inevitable in any martial arts training, but proper conditioning increases the density of the bones, strengthens muscles, ligaments, and tendons, causes the pain receptor nerves to retreat farther into the body (as oppossed to causing actual nerve damage or destruction), and gives the practitioner the ability to take or execute a strike and continue to act without mentally shutting down. This happens a lot with newer martial arts students. They tend to back off and wait for the attack due to fear of being hit. Most of these students have little to no expirience with actually striking anything solid either so when they attack there is little or no power in their strikes and they will usually launch one or maybe two techniques and then stop rather than pushing forward with one technique after the next. Proper iron body conditioning doesn't cause these same side effects. The problem isn't so much the type of conditioning as it is the fact that too many people have the tendency to train too hard too fast. Proper iron body conditioning is very gradual and should produce more of a tingling feeling in the area being conditioned rather than pain. Small bruises and scrapes are inevitable in any martial arts training, but proper conditioning increases the density of the bones, strengthens muscles, ligaments, and tendons, causes the pain receptor nerves to retreat farther into the body (as oppossed to causing actual nerve damage or destruction), and gives the practitioner the ability to take or execute a strike and continue to act without mentally shutting down. This happens a lot with newer martial arts students. They tend to back off and wait for the attack due to fear of being hit. Most of these students have little to no expirience with actually striking anything solid either so when they attack there is little or no power in their strikes and they will usually launch one or maybe two techniques and then stop rather than pushing forward with one technique after the next.

]]> By: uechiguy01 http://www.ikigaiway.com/2009/how-hard-should-you-beat-your-body/comment-page-1/#comment-7283 uechiguy01 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:44:38 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=663#comment-7283 Proper iron body conditioning doesn't cause these same side effects. The problem isn't so much the type of conditioning as it is the fact that too many people have the tendency to train too hard too fast. Proper iron body conditioning is very gradual and should produce more of a tingling feeling in the area being conditioned rather than pain. Small bruises and scrapes are inevitable in any martial arts training, but proper conditioning increases the density of the bones, strengthens muscles, ligaments, and tendons, causes the pain receptor nerves to retreat farther into the body (as oppossed to causing actual nerve damage or destruction), and gives the practitioner the ability to take or execute a strike and continue to act without mentally shutting down. This happens a lot with newer martial arts students. They tend to back off and wait for the attack due to fear of being hit. Most of these students have little to no expirience with actually striking anything solid either so when they attack there is little or no power in their strikes and they will usually launch one or maybe two techniques and then stop rather than pushing forward with one technique after the next. Proper iron body conditioning doesn't cause these same side effects. The problem isn't so much the type of conditioning as it is the fact that too many people have the tendency to train too hard too fast. Proper iron body conditioning is very gradual and should produce more of a tingling feeling in the area being conditioned rather than pain. Small bruises and scrapes are inevitable in any martial arts training, but proper conditioning increases the density of the bones, strengthens muscles, ligaments, and tendons, causes the pain receptor nerves to retreat farther into the body (as oppossed to causing actual nerve damage or destruction), and gives the practitioner the ability to take or execute a strike and continue to act without mentally shutting down. This happens a lot with newer martial arts students. They tend to back off and wait for the attack due to fear of being hit. Most of these students have little to no expirience with actually striking anything solid either so when they attack there is little or no power in their strikes and they will usually launch one or maybe two techniques and then stop rather than pushing forward with one technique after the next.

]]> By: The Interweaving of Kata Beauty, Application, and Perfection | Ikigai | Blogging the Martial Way http://www.ikigaiway.com/2009/how-hard-should-you-beat-your-body/comment-page-1/#comment-2862 The Interweaving of Kata Beauty, Application, and Perfection | Ikigai | Blogging the Martial Way Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:54:28 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=663#comment-2862 [...] techniques are aimed toward the midsection. In reality she would want to contemplate the amount of hand conditioning needed to make that effective. Also her deep stances would lock her into each technique completely, [...] [...] techniques are aimed toward the midsection. In reality she would want to contemplate the amount of hand conditioning needed to make that effective. Also her deep stances would lock her into each technique completely, [...]

]]> By: Massimo Gaetani http://www.ikigaiway.com/2009/how-hard-should-you-beat-your-body/comment-page-1/#comment-2712 Massimo Gaetani Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:14:21 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=663#comment-2712 I agree with your conclusion. I am convinced that "some" conditioning is useful, depending on the level of contact you are practicing. In any case it should not cause permanent damages or deforming yout body in any way. I agree with your conclusion. I am convinced that “some” conditioning is useful, depending on the level of contact you are practicing. In any case it should not cause permanent damages or deforming yout body in any way.

]]> By: Massimo Gaetani http://www.ikigaiway.com/2009/how-hard-should-you-beat-your-body/comment-page-1/#comment-12052 Massimo Gaetani Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:14:00 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=663#comment-12052 I agree with your conclusion. I am convinced that "some" conditioning is useful, depending on the level of contact you are practicing. In any case it should not cause permanent damages or deforming yout body in any way. I agree with your conclusion. I am convinced that “some” conditioning is useful, depending on the level of contact you are practicing. In any case it should not cause permanent damages or deforming yout body in any way.

]]> By: John W. Zimmer http://www.ikigaiway.com/2009/how-hard-should-you-beat-your-body/comment-page-1/#comment-2639 John W. Zimmer Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:33:53 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=663#comment-2639 Interesting topic. I used to do limited conditioning when I was a teenager but after getting into an Americanized style - I started focusing on sparring for competition. My take on conditioning and toughening is one has to improve one's fitness level but in this modern era - I do not see the need to toughen body parts to strike better (deadening the pain). I've been in many fights in my youth as I was a bouncer at a dive bar for a couple years and while I've occasionally been injured (broken knuckles and such) - I healed just fine. As you aptly point out one takes the chance on increasing arthritis and decreasing manual dexterity in old age. Having said this I am still impressed by those who condition their bodies to take a lot of punishment with very little apparent ill effects - I just don't want to be one of them. Regards, John W. Zimmer Interesting topic. I used to do limited conditioning when I was a teenager but after getting into an Americanized style – I started focusing on sparring for competition.

My take on conditioning and toughening is one has to improve one’s fitness level but in this modern era – I do not see the need to toughen body parts to strike better (deadening the pain).

I’ve been in many fights in my youth as I was a bouncer at a dive bar for a couple years and while I’ve occasionally been injured (broken knuckles and such) – I healed just fine.

As you aptly point out one takes the chance on increasing arthritis and decreasing manual dexterity in old age.

Having said this I am still impressed by those who condition their bodies to take a lot of punishment with very little apparent ill effects – I just don’t want to be one of them.

Regards,

John W. Zimmer

]]> By: John W. Zimmer http://www.ikigaiway.com/2009/how-hard-should-you-beat-your-body/comment-page-1/#comment-12051 John W. Zimmer Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:33:00 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=663#comment-12051 Interesting topic. I used to do limited conditioning when I was a teenager but after getting into an Americanized style - I started focusing on sparring for competition. My take on conditioning and toughening is one has to improve one's fitness level but in this modern era - I do not see the need to toughen body parts to strike better (deadening the pain). I've been in many fights in my youth as I was a bouncer at a dive bar for a couple years and while I've occasionally been injured (broken knuckles and such) - I healed just fine. As you aptly point out one takes the chance on increasing arthritis and decreasing manual dexterity in old age. Having said this I am still impressed by those who condition their bodies to take a lot of punishment with very little apparent ill effects - I just don't want to be one of them. Regards, John W. Zimmer Interesting topic. I used to do limited conditioning when I was a teenager but after getting into an Americanized style – I started focusing on sparring for competition.

My take on conditioning and toughening is one has to improve one’s fitness level but in this modern era – I do not see the need to toughen body parts to strike better (deadening the pain).

I’ve been in many fights in my youth as I was a bouncer at a dive bar for a couple years and while I’ve occasionally been injured (broken knuckles and such) – I healed just fine.

As you aptly point out one takes the chance on increasing arthritis and decreasing manual dexterity in old age.

Having said this I am still impressed by those who condition their bodies to take a lot of punishment with very little apparent ill effects – I just don’t want to be one of them.

Regards,

John W. Zimmer

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