Comments on: Blog Talk Radio – Kyoshi Bill Hayes http://www.ikigaiway.com/2008/blog-talk-radio-kyoshi-bill-hayes/ Ikigai - exploring traditional karate and martial arts. A karate and martial arts blog that explores theory, philosophy, technique, and more. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:31:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tkmurray http://www.ikigaiway.com/2008/blog-talk-radio-kyoshi-bill-hayes/comment-page-1/#comment-15662 Tkmurray Sun, 20 Feb 2011 07:29:00 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=492#comment-15662 I just came across this article. I served with Sensei Bill Hayes in the ...Marine Corps. We were both in VMFA531 at. Cherry Point, N.C.I had the good fortune and opportunity to train under Sensei.We were both enlisted men at the time and as you may know Sensei went on to obtain the rank of Major. He is one of the most respected persons that I know and I proudly consider him my brother, not by blood but by choice.T.K. Murray I just came across this article. I served with Sensei Bill Hayes in the …Marine Corps. We were both in VMFA531 at. Cherry Point, N.C.I had the good fortune and opportunity to train under Sensei.We were both enlisted men at the time and as you may know Sensei went on to obtain the rank of Major. He is one of the most respected persons that I know and I proudly consider him my brother, not by blood but by choice.T.K. Murray

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.ikigaiway.com/2008/blog-talk-radio-kyoshi-bill-hayes/comment-page-1/#comment-15637 Anonymous Wed, 15 Sep 2010 04:16:00 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=492#comment-15637 Your stories are fantastic Mr. Ramey, and I have no trouble believing them to be 100% true. Please share any others that come to your memory. Your stories are fantastic Mr. Ramey, and I have no trouble believing them to be 100% true. Please share any others that come to your memory.

]]> By: T. Ramey, MACS(SW) USN Ret. http://www.ikigaiway.com/2008/blog-talk-radio-kyoshi-bill-hayes/comment-page-1/#comment-15636 T. Ramey, MACS(SW) USN Ret. Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:41:00 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=492#comment-15636 I forgot one other thing about Kyoshi Bill Hayes. I was very young and in the Navy when I was stationed with him at Cherry Point, NC (1977-1979), I cherished the moments he would take by stopping and talking to some of us training in the MA. We had an old building on the Marine base that the Rec/MWR dept let us use to train. And it was about the size of a one car garage. Back then I had studied Judo and Matsubayashi Ryu prior to joining the Navy in 1977, and any conversation with a high Dan Black Belt was something that just didn't happen to often. Anyway one afternoon I was in the base Dojo and I was kicking the bag just fooling around, and no one else was there. All of a sudden I felt the bldg shake like something had just ran into it, like a car hitting the bldg. It shook again and again, I thought that someone was trying to knock the bldg down. All of sudden one of the old pictures of some Karate scene fell off the wall, and plaster came down from the ceiling. I decided to look outside and I saw Kyoshi Hayes striking a wooden Makiwara pole with this bare knuckles. It wasn't a punch and then recover, it was repeated strikes over and over. I nearly soiled my pants, I was just blown away. I thought to myself that this man is unbelievable, and the event in the base gym had happened a year or so before this. When I looked outside and saw him hitting the maki pole, he didn't miss a beat. With his other hand that wasn't hitting the pole he waved and said "Hey Tony how's it going, I'll be done in a minute or so". I told him I was just watching and hadn't planned on using the maki. Now the Makiwara was a 4x4 piece of oak implanted in the ground with concrete and it didn't have a pad on it, but it was coming out of the ground and when someone hit it, it would strike the bldg. And this is really the good part, when he hit it he used both hands. He would strike for a while with his right and then switch to his left. A few days later I was able to talk with him and I looked at his knuckles and they had thick callusues on them. Can you imagine him punching you in the chest with his reverse punch? I think he used an Isshinryu punch when striking the maki,but I could be wrong. That was over 30 years ago. He also taught me a secret punch from a Matsubayashi Kata that I hadn't learned yet and to this day I only teach it a few of my students. And I have used it several times when I was a cop. He explained the details for using it and I have to say it's highly effective. If I can think of any more stories I will be glad to share them, and I can say with all honesty this is a true story. And Sensei Doug Perry was a tough martial artist back then as well, he had lightening kicks and was an absolute master technician at Okinawan Kata. I forgot one other thing about Kyoshi Bill Hayes. I was very young and in the Navy when I was stationed with him at Cherry Point, NC (1977-1979), I cherished the moments he would take by stopping and talking to some of us training in the MA. We had an old building on the Marine base that the Rec/MWR dept let us use to train. And it was about the size of a one car garage. Back then I had studied Judo and Matsubayashi Ryu prior to joining the Navy in 1977, and any conversation with a high Dan Black Belt was something that just didn’t happen to often. Anyway one afternoon I was in the base Dojo and I was kicking the bag just fooling around, and no one else was there. All of a sudden I felt the bldg shake like something had just ran into it, like a car hitting the bldg. It shook again and again, I thought that someone was trying to knock the bldg down. All of sudden one of the old pictures of some Karate scene fell off the wall, and plaster came down from the ceiling. I decided to look outside and I saw Kyoshi Hayes striking a wooden Makiwara pole with this bare knuckles. It wasn’t a punch and then recover, it was repeated strikes over and over. I nearly soiled my pants, I was just blown away. I thought to myself that this man is unbelievable, and the event in the base gym had happened a year or so before this. When I looked outside and saw him hitting the maki pole, he didn’t miss a beat. With his other hand that wasn’t hitting the pole he waved and said “Hey Tony how’s it going, I’ll be done in a minute or so”. I told him I was just watching and hadn’t planned on using the maki. Now the Makiwara was a 4×4 piece of oak implanted in the ground with concrete and it didn’t have a pad on it, but it was coming out of the ground and when someone hit it, it would strike the bldg. And this is really the good part, when he hit it he used both hands. He would strike for a while with his right and then switch to his left. A few days later I was able to talk with him and I looked at his knuckles and they had thick callusues on them. Can you imagine him punching you in the chest with his reverse punch? I think he used an Isshinryu punch when striking the maki,but I could be wrong. That was over 30 years ago. He also taught me a secret punch from a Matsubayashi Kata that I hadn’t learned yet and to this day I only teach it a few of my students. And I have used it several times when I was a cop. He explained the details for using it and I have to say it’s highly effective. If I can think of any more stories I will be glad to share them, and I can say with all honesty this is a true story. And Sensei Doug Perry was a tough martial artist back then as well, he had lightening kicks and was an absolute master technician at Okinawan Kata.

]]> By: Interview with James Logue of Ryute Karate (Part 2) | Ikigai | Blogging the Martial Way http://www.ikigaiway.com/2008/blog-talk-radio-kyoshi-bill-hayes/comment-page-1/#comment-15597 Interview with James Logue of Ryute Karate (Part 2) | Ikigai | Blogging the Martial Way Mon, 05 Jul 2010 03:44:12 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=492#comment-15597 [...] others who trained Okinawan karate. Through these seminars I met others such as Doug Perry Hanshi, Bill Hayes Kyoshi, Phil Koeppel Kyoshi, Kimo Wall Kyoshi and many other influential Okinawan karate [...] [...] others who trained Okinawan karate. Through these seminars I met others such as Doug Perry Hanshi, Bill Hayes Kyoshi, Phil Koeppel Kyoshi, Kimo Wall Kyoshi and many other influential Okinawan karate [...]

]]> By: Guest http://www.ikigaiway.com/2008/blog-talk-radio-kyoshi-bill-hayes/comment-page-1/#comment-15569 Guest Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:33:33 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=492#comment-15569 Interesting post. I have stumbled and twittered this for my friends. Hope others find it as interesting as I did. Interesting post. I have stumbled and twittered this for my friends. Hope others find it as interesting as I did.

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]]> By: Matt__A http://www.ikigaiway.com/2008/blog-talk-radio-kyoshi-bill-hayes/comment-page-1/#comment-15567 Matt__A Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:56:06 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=492#comment-15567 Great story Tony - thank you for sharing! I wouldn't want to be in the same state as Hayes Sensei if he were angry at me. That civilian got off very lucky.<br><br>Your analysis of Hayes Sensei as one of the unspoken, out-of-the-limelight true masters couldn't be more accurate. Great story Tony – thank you for sharing! I wouldn't want to be in the same state as Hayes Sensei if he were angry at me. That civilian got off very lucky.

Your analysis of Hayes Sensei as one of the unspoken, out-of-the-limelight true masters couldn't be more accurate.

]]> By: Tony Ramey http://www.ikigaiway.com/2008/blog-talk-radio-kyoshi-bill-hayes/comment-page-1/#comment-15566 Tony Ramey Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:28:50 +0000 http://www.ikigaiway.com/?p=492#comment-15566 The Night Sensei Bill Hayes defrocked a phoney Black Belt: January 1978. Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point, NC. I was witness to an ubelievable event regarding a phony Black Belt. I was a young 18 yr old Sailor and Ikkyu in Judo and Matsubayshi Ryu. I was the coach of the Judo club for the base. Most of the Martial Artists on the base usually gathered at the base gym to train and workout. Our Judo club was small and I was the highest ranking member at the time. When I arrived to train that night I noticed a long haired civilian wearing a Karate Gi and wearing a Black Belt. He was teaching a really obese civilian some kind of techniques that looked ridiculous. Sensei Hayes was watching intently and I noticed he was agitated, I think Sensei Doug Perry was present also. Anyway, I asked Sensei Hayes if he knew who those guys were, and he said he'd never seen them. I stood and watched a few more minutes and the next thing I knew Sensei Hayes walked on the mat and approached the civilian. I couldn't hear exactly what was said but the next thing I saw completely amazed me. Sensei Hayes did some kind of foot sweep on the guy and he went flying. He then got up and Sensei Hayes distinctly told him he was a fraud. The guy was backing away from him and Sensei told him take the belt off and the guy refused. Sensei then told him take it off or he would. or words to that effect. Sensei then kind of shoved him challenging him to spar. He foot sweeped him again and the guy laid on the floor in a defensive position. The next thing I saw was the guy removing the Black Belt, and Sensei said a lot of words to him. About this time a crowd had gathered made up martial artists. The guy and his student left in shame. There was no doubt in my mind and anyone elses that the civilian was a fraud. To this day I have never seen someone move so quickly as Sensei did. And I have seen many Masters all over the world. Even some of the olympic Judo players didn't have anything on Sensei Hayes foot sweep. About a year later I witnessed another amazing event. We had a local tournament, Sensei Hayes demonstrated defense against a groin kick. The opponent kicked Sensei with a very hard front snap kick to the groin. All the while Sensei Hayes was talking to the audience. If there ever was a true American Karate Master Sensei Bill Hayes is the one. He is one of those people that Bruce Lee talked about years ago. The Masters that stay out of the lime light and could bounce him off a wall. The only recognition Sensei Hayes receives is within an inner circle of worldwide martial artists. He doesn't seek rank, recognition, publicity or pictures on magazines. He's never bounced from style to style like one certain Hapkido teacher has done. And he is not a self proclaimed Grand Master. He is a GRAND MASTER. The Night Sensei Bill Hayes defrocked a phoney Black Belt: January 1978. Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point, NC. I was witness to an ubelievable event regarding a phony Black Belt. I was a young 18 yr old Sailor and Ikkyu in Judo and Matsubayshi Ryu. I was the coach of the Judo club for the base. Most of the Martial Artists on the base usually gathered at the base gym to train and workout. Our Judo club was small and I was the highest ranking member at the time. When I arrived to train that night I noticed a long haired civilian wearing a Karate Gi and wearing a Black Belt. He was teaching a really obese civilian some kind of techniques that looked ridiculous. Sensei Hayes was watching intently and I noticed he was agitated, I think Sensei Doug Perry was present also. Anyway, I asked Sensei Hayes if he knew who those guys were, and he said he'd never seen them. I stood and watched a few more minutes and the next thing I knew Sensei Hayes walked on the mat and approached the civilian. I couldn't hear exactly what was said but the next thing I saw completely amazed me. Sensei Hayes did some kind of foot sweep on the guy and he went flying. He then got up and Sensei Hayes distinctly told him he was a fraud. The guy was backing away from him and Sensei told him take the belt off and the guy refused. Sensei then told him take it off or he would. or words to that effect. Sensei then kind of shoved him challenging him to spar. He foot sweeped him again and the guy laid on the floor in a defensive position. The next thing I saw was the guy removing the Black Belt, and Sensei said a lot of words to him. About this time a crowd had gathered made up martial artists. The guy and his student left in shame. There was no doubt in my mind and anyone elses that the civilian was a fraud. To this day I have never seen someone move so quickly as Sensei did. And I have seen many Masters all over the world. Even some of the olympic Judo players didn't have anything on Sensei Hayes foot sweep. About a year later I witnessed another amazing event. We had a local tournament, Sensei Hayes demonstrated defense against a groin kick. The opponent kicked Sensei with a very hard front snap kick to the groin. All the while Sensei Hayes was talking to the audience. If there ever was a true American Karate Master Sensei Bill Hayes is the one. He is one of those people that Bruce Lee talked about years ago. The Masters that stay out of the lime light and could bounce him off a wall. The only recognition Sensei Hayes receives is within an inner circle of worldwide martial artists. He doesn't seek rank, recognition, publicity or pictures on magazines. He's never bounced from style to style like one certain Hapkido teacher has done. And he is not a self proclaimed Grand Master. He is a GRAND MASTER.

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